. were actually helped western europe, not eastern europe, which helped western europe after the second world war and had nothing to do with europe. it was the u.s., the marshall plan which allows money to build part of western europe as part of their contribution compared to the east, which was under soviet control. so why bring me eu in after the war? [indiscernible] to keep europe under some kind of control, and it is not working. european citizens in different parts of europe will be laughing at this decision. >> tariq ali, thank you for being with us, a british- pakistani political commentator, historian, activist, filmmaker, novelist, author of over 20 books including, "the duel: pakistan on the flight path of american power." this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. when we come back, we expand the debate. we bring two third party vice- presidential candidates into the vice presidential debate that was held last night in kentucky. stay with us. ♪ [music break] >> this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report.